Topic: Amazon DE

[Jimmy]

Yeah, because DVDs aren't discounted at all are they?

They wasn't by 75% when the format was in its beginning... It was quite the contrary in fact, a 30$+ dvd wasn't an exception but the norm (I even got regulary dvd for more than 50$ here and it was for film not TV show).

I know you are crazy for this format, but sometimes a little bit of perspective is necessary...

[Najemikon]

Since DVD started, online shopping has exploded. You can get decent savings in these "Deal of the Day" things, but in the main, Blu-Ray is not being heavily discounted. It's about the same ratio as DVD was in 1999. It's only since Blu-Ray came out that the price of DVDs has plummeted.

You're looking for a conspiracy that isn't here. You're right, I am invested in Blu, but I'm not blinkered. I know how expensive they are and spotting bargains like this is based on luck, not stores desperate to shift units of a dead format.

[Kinoniki]

When I started buying DVDs in late 1999 to early 2000 it wasn't uncommon with 50-60% discounts on popular titles from online retailers, very much like we see today when Blu-ray has been around about the same amount of time. It's a natural progression. But the main benefit is that we are getting a much better product for our money today.

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

 

OK Ladies and Gentleman, could we get this back on topic please.

[Jimmy]

We are on topic since we talk about the Blu-Ray forced feed conspiracy, but more importantly (as many old timers would say)....

We have no rules here !!!!

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

We have no rules here, OK, no need to yell at me!

But if I recall it correctly the topic of this thread is: "Amazon.de" and the board is "Good Deals".
If you want a discussion on the prices of HighDef Media to be found by the ones looking for it, it should be placed in the "HighDef Media" board, don't you think so too.

EDIT: BTW a nice "Ooops, sorry for taking your thread astray" would have completely sufficed.

[Jimmy]

We have no rules here, OK, no need to yell at me!

Good Lord it was a joke...
Sorry if it was that offensive to you

BTW your post is always there to announce the special and you will be able to post the next one so I don't see the big deal in the fact that some of us had a sideline discussion.

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Sorry if it was that offensive to you

BTW your post is always there to announce the special and you will be able to post the next one so I don't see the big deal in the fact that some of us had a sideline discussion.

Probably got me in the wrong mood (was a bit tired last night), so apology accepted.  

Regarding the sideline discussion: As long as it roughly remained within the topic of this thread I didn't have any problems with it, I even participated.
It's just that the sideline seems to take more and more place and I still think this discussion should be continued in a thread designed for it. But I won't stop you from continuing it here.

BTW: do you really believe in the "Blu-Ray conspiracy"?
I tend to believe in the "3D-conspiracy": Meaning that the industry is trying to convince us that 3D is necessary for the ultimate enjoyment. My opinion on this: Not as long as I need a monitor and glasses to watch it.
Anyhow Blu-Ray and 3D are only media. And media in no way can replace the content. Without decent content at affordable prices every media is doomed to fail. So the price reductions we can currently observe in the Blu-Ray market come as no surprise, but were necessary if this media really wants to go into big business.
Sadly this means that in the long run the Blu-Ray will replace the DVD, in the same way that the Blu-Ray will one day be superseded by it's successor, or the DVD wiped VHS off the market. It happened before and will happen again. Does anybody still remember 8-Track or audio-cassettes?

[Jimmy]

Probably got me in the wrong mood (was a bit tired last night), so apology accepted. 

No problem we all have our bad days and I know I can write in a rough way sometimes wich doesn't help

BTW: do you really believe in the "Blu-Ray conspiracy"?

Sure I believe in the Blu-Ray conspiracy.
Who is the creator and sole proprietor of the format? Sony
Why it was created? To boost the sale of the HD-TV that wasn't a hit at all (at least not in the general population where it counts)
Was it necessary? No
Does it change anything? No

Two years of propanga from paid "specialist" succeed to make people believed it was an improvment. It succeed so much that the eyes believe it's better because the brain is conditioned by the multiple repeating that it is. Now they make you believe a cable HD signal is better, but it isn't (easy to compare since my brother had a cable with an HD signal and a regular one) and it's the same with the movies.

Without decent content at affordable prices every media is doomed to fail.

A product can easilly survive even if the price are high. By exemple the video tape price were high, the majority of what I bought was in a price range between 65 and 100$. Wich was surely not afordable, but this format was dominant for at least 20 years

Sadly this means that in the long run the Blu-Ray will replace the DVD

Wich isn't the case. Once again the propaganda makes people believed that Blu-Ray sales are incredible wich they aren't. All my contacts in the industry tell me again and again that Blu-Ray don't sell at all, even the Roger Corman's one that I talk so much about sell ten times more dvd when the 2 format are available. Without the propaganda the BR isn't more successfull than the CD-Films or the Universal Media Discs were.

Does anybody still remember 8-Track or audio-cassettes?

Those 8-Tracks tape had a big disavantage : it wasn't easy to find a song on them.
I owned a tons of audio casettes that I have transfered on cd-mp3. Took a lot less place and they don't detoriate with each listening (just like the video tape did also).

Now I've gone way off-topic but you asked me the question

[Najemikon]

Two years of propanga from paid "specialist" succeed to make people believed it was an improvment. It succeed so much that the eyes believe it's better because the brain is conditioned by the multiple repeating that it is. Now they make you believe a cable HD signal is better, but it isn't (easy to compare since my brother had a cable with an HD signal and a regular one) and it's the same with the movies.

 

That's close to the daftest thing you've ever said!  C'mon Jimmy, this is ridiculous. Do you think you're talking to idiots? I'm sat right next to a DVD/Blu-Ray set-up right now and I can damn well tell the difference yet you're trying to tell me it's all my head and I've been brainwashed? 

[Jimmy]

Do you think you're talking to idiots?

Of course not

I'm sat right next to a DVD/Blu-Ray set-up right now and I can damn well tell the difference yet you're trying to tell me it's all my head and I've been brainwashed? 

When a person is conditionned to make him believed something is true it is well engraved in his brain. That was prooved many times in scientific experimentations (by exemple had mice starved to death by giving them an electric shock each time they touch food, conditionning them to do the connection that food equals pain). The brain works in unexpected way and it often defy the logic.

There is nothing negative in my comment Jon, but like I said the brain was conditioned by years of propaganda repeating...

[Najemikon]

Do you think you're talking to idiots?

Of course not

I'm sat right next to a DVD/Blu-Ray set-up right now and I can damn well tell the difference yet you're trying to tell me it's all my head and I've been brainwashed? 

When a person is conditionned to make him believed something is true it is well engraved in his brain. That was prooved many times in scientific experimentations (by exemple had mice starved to death by giving them an electric shock each time they touch food, conditionning them to do the connection that food equals pain). The brain works in unexpected way and it often defy the logic.

There is nothing negative in my comment Jon, but like I said the brain was conditioned by years of propaganda repeating...

Oh. Thanks. Good to know I'm a braindead, half-blind zombie.  What you're implying is that I have been brainwashed. That Marie, Achim, Dave, etc, are all fools. Because we have blinkers on and can't see that it's an illusion created by the media to sell Sony's white elephant.

Absolute rubbish. What's really frustrating is that you would never be interested in the format anyway yet you're arguing against it more passionately than we are for it.

By the way, I think the thread is going off-topic again! 

[Jimmy]

By the way, I think the thread is going off-topic again! 

I agree on this part

But please Jon don't put words in my mouth I never said... I haven't said that you, Achim, Dave, Marie or anyone else are brainwashed zombies. I just said that your brain is conditionned by what you have read and what you see is an optical illusion your brain create to goes with the conditionning...

We can open a new thread if you wish...

[Najemikon]

I don't want to open a thread specifically to flog a dead horse. I'm not putting words in your mouth, they are there for everyone to see! You can't have your argument both ways. It's either a joke format with no discernible difference and anyone who buys into it does so on the basis of subliminal marketing and therefore cannot think for themselves; or it's a valued upgrade that consumers have made informed decisions about. I fall into one of those groups and because you argue so strongly against Blu-Ray, by definition you must believe I've been conned.

Actually, something happened the other night that disproves it anyway. I use Lovefilm.com for rentals and always choose Blu-Ray. I watched Crazy Heart and after a few minutes I thought, "this Blu-Ray looks crap!".

They'd sent me the DVD instead. So much for no difference and I wasn't even trying to compare it. It simply lacked the depth, colour and clarity I've come to expect.

[Kathy]

*off topic* 

I have never been on the blu-ray bandwagon as everyone well knows. My brain isn't washed...it's dirty! So, I think I can add a little something to this off topic.

Many of my friends have blu-rays so I have seen them. Depending of the film there can be a vast difference in the quality of the viewing experience between the blu-ray and regular version of a movie.

So, I do understand why people enjoy upgrading some of their movies to this new format.

Hopefully this will drive the prices down on regular DVDs for the rest of us!