This seems to be a copy of the list: http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/43508317.html
Quote from: Jon on January 30, 2010, 12:17:04 AMI've never seen Heaven's Gate, Antares, but your comments ring true with a lot that I've heard over the years. I think like Cleopatra, it was flop in the days when Hollywood wasn't used to such huge failures, so its reputation has unfairly endured. But holding with my above criteria, and considering it was before the days of commercial blockbuster crap, I doubt I would find it "offensive". Perhaps just disappointed it didn't quite gel. It goes without saying that number 50, Spider-Man 3, is bound to be a worse film than anything Cimino ever even thought of making. There's nothing cynical about trying.Certainly on the original link, Empire had a "Redeeming Feature" for each entry (Batman and Robin's was Silverstone's backside!). For Heaven's Gate, they mention how the longer cut is much better.The saddest part of the Heaven's Gate debacle was that it forever changed Hollywood. The Auteur's were out, and the blockbuster Wunderkinds were in. Movie making has never been the same. To me, the late 60's through the mid-70's were the most fruitful time in film history. In one-felled swoop, it was over.
I've never seen Heaven's Gate, Antares, but your comments ring true with a lot that I've heard over the years. I think like Cleopatra, it was flop in the days when Hollywood wasn't used to such huge failures, so its reputation has unfairly endured. But holding with my above criteria, and considering it was before the days of commercial blockbuster crap, I doubt I would find it "offensive". Perhaps just disappointed it didn't quite gel. It goes without saying that number 50, Spider-Man 3, is bound to be a worse film than anything Cimino ever even thought of making. There's nothing cynical about trying.Certainly on the original link, Empire had a "Redeeming Feature" for each entry (Batman and Robin's was Silverstone's backside!). For Heaven's Gate, they mention how the longer cut is much better.
Quote from: Antares on January 30, 2010, 12:09:32 AMI have to disagree with Heaven's Gate being #6. I don't know how many of you were old enough to remember when it was being made, but the media savaged it before it was even released. It became a cause célèbre at the time, even though no one had seen any of the actual footage shot. They focused on the extravagances of the shoot by Cimino, because it was like shooting fish in a barrel. Cimino had gone a little crazy in his pursuit of cinema as Art. I saw it in its original theatrical run, and I was blown away by the cinematography. One thing you can't say about Cimino is this, his film's look awful. Yes, the story seemed disjointed, but years later we found out that United Artists, in desperation, forced him to cut the film down tremendously. A few years ago, I got to see the extended version on TCM, and it proved that Cimino's original concept was actually good. I've never seen Heaven's Gate, Antares, but your comments ring true with a lot that I've heard over the years. I think like Cleopatra, it was flop in the days when Hollywood wasn't used to such huge failures, so its reputation has unfairly endured. But holding with my above criteria, and considering it was before the days of commercial blockbuster crap, I doubt I would find it "offensive". Perhaps just disappointed it didn't quite gel. It goes without saying that number 50, Spider-Man 3, is bound to be a worse film than anything Cimino ever even thought of making. There's nothing cynical about trying.Certainly on the original link, Empire had a "Redeeming Feature" for each entry (Batman and Robin's was Silverstone's backside!). For Heaven's Gate, they mention how the longer cut is much better.
I have to disagree with Heaven's Gate being #6. I don't know how many of you were old enough to remember when it was being made, but the media savaged it before it was even released. It became a cause célèbre at the time, even though no one had seen any of the actual footage shot. They focused on the extravagances of the shoot by Cimino, because it was like shooting fish in a barrel. Cimino had gone a little crazy in his pursuit of cinema as Art. I saw it in its original theatrical run, and I was blown away by the cinematography. One thing you can't say about Cimino is this, his film's look awful. Yes, the story seemed disjointed, but years later we found out that United Artists, in desperation, forced him to cut the film down tremendously. A few years ago, I got to see the extended version on TCM, and it proved that Cimino's original concept was actually good.
Hmmm, no westerns on this list...not even "The Terror of Tiny Town"
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