Topic: Django Unchained (2012)

[samuelrichardscott]

Screw the Tarantino haters, but I am already heavily anticipating this one. Cast includes Jamie Foxx, Kerry Washington, Leonardo DiCaprio, Don Johnson, Christoph Waltz, Kurt Russell, Samuel L. Jackson and Anthony LaPaglia.

Producer Michael Shamberg:

I’ve seen some stuff and it’s amazing. We’re still shooting and my partner Stacey [Sher] is producing with Pilar Savone who worked for Quentin and Reggie Hudlin. I’m exec-producing and we’re like, maybe, half-way through. You have no idea. It’s the most amazing film cause, as you know, it’s a spaghetti western about slavery and Quentin’s vocabulary is such that it’s just pure entertainment, Leonardo’s the bad guy, it’s gonna be awesome.

Due for release on Christmas Day and Tarantino hasn't failed me yet as a director.

[Najemikon]

Hell yeah. 

In all honesty, I'm expecting a Leone film, ran through with exploitation style plotting, and long term, I do hope he does something less predictable, but that takes nothing away from what this film will actually be. Which is, probably, awesome.

This is shaping up to be a good year for mainstream movies. Avengers Assemble, Prometheus, Dredd, Django Unchained, MIB3... oh yeah.

[Jimmy]

Yeah the hipster who are too lazy to watch the originals will believe again they know everything about a genre... Fucking hipster looser annoy me even more than untalented hack do

[samuelrichardscott]

Or, like with Grindhouse and Inglourious Bastards, he might revitalise a genre and increase people's interest in the originals whilst other companies release the original movies in new, better editions to cash-in. It's a win-win situation. Tarantino might be a lot of things, but an untalented hack? Puhlease.

[Jimmy]

he might revitalise a genre

Give me an NFBSK break, you know better than that
As a real exploitation film fan I coudn't care less about what he choose to ripoff each time he do something. A copy and paste job isn't what make a talented director, sure his fanboys get an hard on each time he opens his mouth but the truth is that he is as untalented than Eli Roth, Michael Bay, Ford Austin or Brad Sykes are...

[Najemikon]

 

After watching Jackie Brown, I immediately got hold of Foxy Brown and Coffy, both of which are pretty bad. Jackie Brown was not only significantly better, it treated Pam Grier with the respect she deserves and she didn't have to get her tits out to do it. Tarantino takes the spirit of the originals and applies talent, based on a genuine fundamental grasp of European film techniques.

[Jimmy]

Laugh all you want Jon but with a comment like this you will surely understand that your opinion on what is exploitation cinema or what is good exploitation cinema worth nothing for me. Sure you have your field of expertise but don't pretend you are one on that field...

After watching Jackie Brown, I immediately got hold of Foxy Brown and Coffy, both of which are pretty bad.

Anyway I don't see why I waste my time on this as you have already shown in the past that you are one of those Tarantino hipster who get an hard on about whatever crap he does...

I have nothing more to say, unless you reply with other non-sense like you did in your previous post.

BTW : I was never impressed by your tactic of laughing at other people post.

[samuelrichardscott]

he might revitalise a genre

Give me an NFBSK break, you know better than that
As a real exploitation film fan I coudn't care less about what he choose to ripoff each time he do something. A copy and paste job isn't what make a talented director, sure his fanboys get an hard on each time he opens his mouth but the truth is that he is as untalented than Eli Roth, Michael Bay, Ford Austin or Brad Sykes are...

Personally, I have looked into a ton of other films purely because of what has been mentioned by Tarantino as his influences in those he has made. I do really enjoy Grindhouse film and honestly believe he has been nothing but good for the genre. Sure, we have a had a gazillion rip-offs, but because of the marketing of this film, other companies like Shout Factory released a lot of new sets with new extras to capitalise on the interest garnered thanks to Tarantino. To say that Tarantino is untalented is, well, alarming. Even if you hate the mans guts, you must have some respect for what he has achieved and his technical abilities? Same with Michael Bay. Hate on him all you want, but that man knows how to make an explosion, and therein is his formula and he sticks to it, making some enjoyable brainless romps on his way. I agree, a copy and paste job does not make a good director, but Tarantino adds his own flair and his own fantastic dialogue, which yes, is obviously heavily influenced. He's an asset to cinema new and old, whether you think so or not.

How much do you want to bet we will see new releases of the Django films and related westerns etc when this comes out thanks to the legion of 'fanboys'? That for me, is enough to anticipate Django Unchained even more. Hey, I even think we'll see Django Blu's upon this movies release and I know you would love that.

[samuelrichardscott]

After watching Jackie Brown, I immediately got hold of Foxy Brown and Coffy, both of which are pretty bad.

My favourite blaxpoitation films:
Black Mama White Mama
Truck Turner
Slaughter's Big Rip Off
Baaadassssss!

Of course, I thoroughly recommend the documentary Baadasssss Cinema: a Bold Look at 70's Blaxploitation Films also. Check all this out Jon!

[Najemikon]

Jimmy, if I didn't laugh, I'd lose my temper and I don't want to take this that seriously. You're the one who came onto a thread you knew you were going to disagree with and dismissed those who would agree "hipster fanboys with hard-ons".

Nice. Thanks for that. Ironic really though, that the singular purpose of sexploitation at least is to create hard-ons in their fanboys! In all seriousness, you need to calm down. So you don't like Tarantino films? Get over it.

Contrary to what you might think, I'm not predisposed against exploitation. I don't need to be an expert, I just like what I like. That doesn't include junk like Coffy. It may, however, include the recommendations that Sam just made, so thanks to him for that.

[Jimmy]

Jimmy, You're the one who came onto a thread you knew you were going to disagree with

So now according to your rules it is forbidden to open a topic and expressing disagreement... Nice way to write STFU Jimmy!

Ironic really though, that the singular purpose of sexploitation at least is to create hard-ons in their fanboys!

If you believe that I must say and I'm sorry to do so that you haven't a single clue of what you are talking about.

I just like what I like

Nice! So it's OK for you to wrote about what you like but it isn't for the other... kind of hypocritical considering you wrote this to open your message

Jimmy, You're the one who came onto a thread you knew you were going to disagree with

So I guess the clue of the day is "Do what I say not what I do"

[Najemikon]

Good grief. 

My point was that it's fine to discuss something and to express an opinion, however you do so in an offensive way. Again, "fanboys", "hard-ons", etc. It's just not necessary or polite. And when I said "I like what I like", what I mean is, regardless of who made a particular film, when, or why they made it, it comes down to a basic question: did I enjoy it? You don't need to be an expert in anything to answer that. I'll probably like Django Unchained. If I don't, I'll be the first to say so. I might not like any of the ones Sam suggested, but again, if I do, I'll be the first to shout up. Neither response would be considered a reflection on a genre or a filmmaker as a whole. 

Ironic really though, that the singular purpose of sexploitation at least is to create hard-ons in their fanboys!

If you believe that I must say and I'm sorry to do so that you haven't a single clue of what you are talking about.
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"pornography
 
Pronunciation: /pɔːˈnɒgrəfi/
noun
[mass noun]

    printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement. "

Well, we've arrived here again, have we? Strange that, because of your own reviews, I understood the difference between adult films and pornography, yet whenever it's discussed, you have never been able to calmly defend that, preferring instead to adopt a knee-jerk blanket denial that what you watch, is sometimes good old fashioned porn. By its very definition, most people tend to consider sexploitation pornographic. And in line with what I was just saying, we shouldn't have to worry about who made it, when and why. To paraphrase the old joke, "I can't tell you what porn is, but I'll know it when I see it".

[Jimmy]

Oops! Sorry I forgot that for you nudity equals pornography

you have never been able to calmly defend that, preferring instead to adopt a knee-jerk blanket denial that what you watch, is sometimes good old fashioned porn.

Firstly : I don't have to defend myself... Am I a criminal suddenly?
Secondly : I have already explain the difference here at least 2 years ago...
Thirdly : I won't loose my time explaining it again to someone who doesn't understand that nudity isn't pornography
Fourthly : exploitation isn't only sexploitation and sexploitation isn't pornography
Fifthly : I watch adult movie too, so what?
Sixthly : I don't feel the urge to "defend" what I like
Seventhly : I don't take it personally when someone don't like what I like contrary to you
Eightly : I've never rejected the opinion of someone because he/she watch something I don't care for
Ninthly : I despise the "holier than you" attitude

[samuelrichardscott]

So guys, what are your thoughts on DJANGO UNCHAINED or the old Django movies in general? The film this thread is a discussion for.

[Najemikon]

Firstly : I don't have to defend myself... Am I a criminal suddenly?

Never said you were. "Defend" as in support an opinion.

Secondly : I have already explain the difference here at least 2 years ago...

Yes, you did. But more recently, such as when I questioned the legitimacy of those titles that clearly were straightforward porn, you got very angry. There's no talking to you on this subject. You have blinkers on.

Thirdly : I won't loose my time explaining it again to someone who doesn't understand that nudity isn't pornography

Ever the Master of twisting words, eh, Jimmy? Please find where I said that. Never have, because I never thought that. Read my review of Lust, Caution for instance. I'm very confident of where the line is drawn and the definition in the previous message is good enough for most.

Fourthly : exploitation isn't only sexploitation and sexploitation isn't pornography

Yeah. I know. Again, I know the difference, thanks all the same.

Fifthly : I watch adult movie too, so what?

Don't know where you're going with this. Erm... yeah?  

Sixthly : I don't feel the urge to "defend" what I like

Oh I do. Nothing wrong with that at all. Like I've always said, there is no such thing as a guilty pleasure. Call me out on anything I've said I liked and I'll stick up for it.

Seventhly : I don't take it personally when someone don't like what I like contrary to you

Never have. Unless that someone insults me while they're doing it. You know, like implying that if you like a particular director, you must be a fanboy. With a hard-on, no less.

Eightly : I've never rejected the opinion of someone because he/she watch something I don't care for

You know, a lot of your points kind of drift. We've covered this, haven't we? Whatever. Personally, I enjoy listening to people talk intelligently about something I don't particularly like or understand. I always enjoyed your reviews, for instance, despite knowing a lot of the titles are not something I'm bothered about. And just like I trust almost everyone else on musicals, because I know it's my problem I don't like them and no one elses.

Ninthly : I despise the "holier than you" attitude

So, why do it then?