Topic: The Karate Kid (2010)

[Jimmy]

I didn't say that you, Marie or Sophie aren't intelligent

What can I say? It's a bad idea, it's a movie that will be forgot in less than a year, it's just an ego film who was done because Will Smith is powerfull in Hollywood (no idea why since he wasn't in a good film since Man in Black) and I find it insulting personally...

Yes the fact that this crap is on the top of the US box-office represent how the mainstream audience eat everything who is forced fed to them and with a smile to top that.

Jacky Chan is certainly a good actor in his Hong Kong stuff, but I can't name one of his US films that I've appreciated

[Critter]

So your saying it's okay to just dimiss hundreds of films as crap without ever even viewing them? I can sort of understand why you do that, you must get that a lot with your favourite genre of hardcore adult films. I'm sure there are millions of people in the world that will dismiss all of them as just digusting porn not worth bothering about. But that wouldn't worry you I suppose since that is how people are supposed to judge films. Never mind watching them...

[Najemikon]

I didn't say that you, Marie or Sophie aren't intelligent

What can I say? It's a bad idea, it's a movie that will be forgot in less than a year, it's just an ego film who was done because Will Smith is powerfull in Hollywood (no idea why since he wasn't in a good film since Man in Black) and I find it insulting personally...

Yes the fact that this crap is on the top of the US box-office represent how the mainstream audience eat everything who is forced fed to them and with a smile to top that.

 

We're going around in circles! Marie and I are part of the audience that enjoyed it, therefore you include us as the "the mainstream audience eat everything who is forced fed to them and with a smile to top that".

And when you say "Jacky Chan is certainly a good actor in his Hong Kong stuff, but I can't name one of his US films that I've appreciated", that's our whole point. He's never had a role like this in the US.

To bring this back to a more positive note, this is just a light hearted family flick that doesn't really warrant such a debate! Just ask yourself this... a normal family with a couple of kids want to go to the movies. They don't have a vested interest in cinema and you'll never see them on a forum like this. Heck, they probably don't pick the film until they get there.

What's so wrong with them picking The Karate Kid and enjoying it?  

[goodguy]

Why do you get so riled up about this, Jimmy? Maybe it is a bad movie and a vanity project etc., I have no idea and I don't care, because there are hundreds of those and I doubt this one is particularly trendsetting in a dangerous way.

[Jimmy]

Why do you get so riled up about this, Jimmy?

Because I've appreciated the real one when I was young and I found the idea of this remake completly disgusting. Everything who made the original so great and powerfull doesn't make sense anymore. This was never a film about a 10 years old kid, but a film about a teenager who had to deal with bulliying in high school like many of us had to at this time and the film shown us that we can deal with those guys. Sorry but it it isn't kindergarden stuff and to make people believe that is an insult...

I don't even understand why nobody wants to understand why the single idea of this movie piss me off

What's so wrong with them picking The Karate Kid and enjoying it?  

Not a single chance that my 7 years old nephews will see that with me, I prefer to watch the two Chipmunk movies one after another than see that. Anyway this isn't a movie that their mother will approve for them and rightfully so since it isn't a kid movie.

I'm sure there are millions of people in the world that will dismiss all of them as just digusting porn not worth bothering about. But that wouldn't worry you I suppose since that is how people are supposed to judge films. Never mind watching them...

Why it would worry me? I don't care about what the others think of what I like, if they share my tastes good and if not it's good also. I've never expected that everybody on earth share my taste for the exploitation films (painted me only as a watcher of porn films is kind of cheap, since I watch much more than that and my tastes in film are quite diverse).

[Critter]

I suppose I have just been brought up differently. I was taught that no one has the right to judge a film, book, song, TV show etc without viewing it, and as you can tell it greatly bothers me when people do. I find some people have a sort of God-like opinion of their own views, they think that if they say something is shit then it is, never mind anyone else, and more often than not they say something is crap without even watching a minute of it. This to me is wrong. And I'm not saying your as bas as the example I just mentioned, I'm just trying to explain how much this gets to me.

Oh well, I personally will never judge something without seeing it, sure, I will occaisionally say that something looks like crap based on a trailer but I will never completely dimiss it until after a viewing.

[Antares]

Wow, this is one f*@#*& up thread.

[Jimmy]

You're right Antares
This is why next time I'll keep my opinions for myself, since it looks like we can have one here anymore...

[Dragonfire]

I know I never said you weren't allowed your opinion Jimmy.  I don't have a problem with the fact that you don't want to see the movie.  I can understand that.  It is just that your... criticism seems a bit harsh considering you haven't seen the movie.  And that was in no way an attack on your or an attempt to tell you that you can't have whatever opinion you want on any movie.

[Antares]

 

[Najemikon]

Wow, this is one f*@#*& up thread.

Damn shame. I'm tempted to remove it and start again!

Because I've appreciated the real one when I was young and I found the idea of this remake completly disgusting. Everything who made the original so great and powerfull doesn't make sense anymore. This was never a film about a 10 years old kid, but a film about a teenager who had to deal with bulliying in high school like many of us had to at this time and the film shown us that we can deal with those guys. Sorry but it it isn't kindergarden stuff and to make people believe that is an insult...

I don't even understand why nobody wants to understand why the single idea of this movie piss me off

Marie already said what I think. It isn't about your opinion, it's how you express it. It isn't about whether you want to see it, it's about how you won't respect the view of those of us who have.

You have every right to think what you will of the film, but you have no right to contradict those of us who have seen it. For example, I kept stressing that this is Jackie Chan's best English role. In reply, you said he has never had a good English role! Why can't you see how back to front that is? 

I shared your misgivings and only watched it because a I got a preview showing. I really enjoyed it and I'm glad I saw it.

The original Karate Kid was a big movie for me too. And I was 9 when it came out. Not a kids movie? It's a perfect kids movie! It's exactly the sort of film that should be getting made. The remake isn't as good, mainly because it's a younger cast, but it's still the best non-animated kids movie for a long time.

[Antares]

Damn shame. I'm tempted to remove it and start again!

Honestly, before it goes any further, you should.

[snowcat]

I see critter mentioning things like people having "God like opinions" ... I think you are all guilty of this at some point on this forum which is why I think you guys should just agree to disagree.... your not going to change each other and you are going around in a circle... these kind of circles can get viscous and end up like certain people feeling threatened or bullied.... especially when its three against one. I think this forum is great but I can see this is already getting in to a circle... and ive seen it before... its not nice.

[Najemikon]

It isn't opinions causing the problem, but how they're expressed. You only have to look at the multiple times I've "discussed" Tarantino with Antares. Have either of us changed our opinion of him? No. Do either of us feel bullied? Well, actually... NO! Of course not. We're adults. I've been involved with forums for a very long time and I am acutely aware of exactly what bullying constitutes and how it grows, especially on forums I hosted. I had to keep a very tight leash on some people. It is nowhere near that situation on any thread in this forum, including this one.

The situation, such as it is in this thread, is very, very rare on this forum. Nerves were touched early on and it got royally screwed!

[Antares]

It isn't opinions causing the problem, but how they're expressed. You only have to look at the multiple times I've "discussed" Tarantino with Antares. Have either of us changed our opinion of him? No. Do either of us feel bullied? Well, actually... NO! Of course not.

Actually, you've driven me to seek medical help, as I can't cope with the pressure of being harassed by your viewpoint...you...you...you...bastard.

You and all your Tarantino brethren should be banned, so I can get on with my life again!