Topic: Cloverfield

[Jimmy]

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do you consider David shooting his son, and three other people, then attempting to kill himself while sobbing in desperation, and then finding out he should have held out just a bit longer, a happy, feel-good ending?

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No and if it would have been the end it would have been a correct one (correct, but a big deception), but this is not the movie end.

My problem is the real end where an organized army come and save the day. Sorry this isn't a story about David or his son or one person in general, but one about how each person react to a serie of mysterious and terrifying events who will bring the end of the world. Even in the film this is how it is, even if some change were made to the story to please the cinema crowd.

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I feel like we are playing the spoiling game again

[Najemikon]

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do you consider David shooting his son, and three other people, then attempting to kill himself while sobbing in desperation, and then finding out he should have held out just a bit longer, a happy, feel-good ending?

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No and if it would have been the end it would have been a correct one (correct, but a big deception), but this is not the movie end.

My problem is the real end where an organized army come and save the day. Sorry this isn't a story about David or his son or one person in general, but one about how each person react to a serie of mysterious and terrifying events who will bring the end of the world. Even in the film this is how it is, even if some change were made to the story to please the cinema crowd.

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I feel like we are playing the spoiling game again

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It's not about "pleasing the cinema crowd", it's a demand of basic film narrative. It has to find the audiences emotion and so it locks it onto David. It is just a story about him; he's there at the start and we follow him to the end absolute end. The army arriving is the final kick in the teeth for David and the viewer doesn't give a damn why the army are there, just that they are and making a mockery of David's horrible fate. Jimmy, the proof is in the pudding. Of all the people I know who saw this film, absolutely no-one said "oh thank goodness the army arrived". They recognised it as David's story and were therefore devastated.

Interestingly, this links in with comments I'm about to post regards Watchmen. That can't find a way to focus the audiences emotion on any key character and becomes bloated. The original book has multiple threads and the film valiantly holds onto every one of them, at the cost of making sense to some degree.

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Do you think anyone else is reading this? Should we start insulting people to see?

[Jimmy]

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Do you think anyone else is reading this? Should we start insulting people to see?

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We better not most of them had seen the movie

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They recognised it as David's story and were therefore devastated.

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That's where is my problem with the film end Jon. I've read the book and waited anxiously for years to see it made. Because of that I known already it was not a story about a character but a situation, it would have been different if I didn't know this fact. But I know, so what can I say for me the army save the day is an happy ending. As you say the film focus on David and he will not die, he is not lost in a world without hope and his world is not at an end...

[northbloke]

Yes there are other people reading this, so be very careful! 

Jimmy, I think you're connecting the film and the book too much. Frank Darabont took the story and went off and did his own thing. In film you more often or not have to have a primary antagonist for the audience to identify with, in books not so much. So the film is about David not the situation and needs to be looked at from that point of view.

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And how do we know that's a rescue? It could just as easily be an evacuation.

[Achim]

The thing I liked the most about Cloverfield is the monster design. When it is eventiually revealed on screen in all its glory I was awestruck!

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I don't mind unhappy endings at all, as others said, some movies "require" them. For Cloverfield I feel it could have gone either way, both would have worked for me.

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Nothing new here. I still think that I would have wanted the original ending, but I see what Darabont wanted to do; and since King approved it... I do also still think that the ending is far from happy. While the army indicated to me some kind of resolution to the problem I did get that it was a super-unhappy ending for David.

[MEJHarrison]

Wow..that's an expensive sewing machine.  What kind is it?

Bernina

I know a little about sewing machines.  A friend just sold her brand new Pfaff 3.0 (I did actually since she's currently in New Mexico) she picked up less than two months back and picked up her dream machine, the Pfaff 4.0.  I don't know what they go for, but she got her new one off ebay for almost $1800.  I think they're normally $2500+.  So I'm guessing it's comparable to what you're wife got.

[Antares]

I know a little about sewing machines.  A friend just sold her brand new Pfaff 3.0 (I did actually since she's currently in New Mexico) she picked up less than two months back and picked up her dream machine, the Pfaff 4.0.  I don't know what they go for, but she got her new one off ebay for almost $1800.  I think they're normally $2500+.  So I'm guessing it's comparable to what you're wife got.

I hope your friend has good luck with hers, my wife used to work at a place that sold Pfaffs and she said they were prone to breakdowns. That's why she went with the Bernina.

[MEJHarrison]

I know a little about sewing machines.  A friend just sold her brand new Pfaff 3.0 (I did actually since she's currently in New Mexico) she picked up less than two months back and picked up her dream machine, the Pfaff 4.0.  I don't know what they go for, but she got her new one off ebay for almost $1800.  I think they're normally $2500+.  So I'm guessing it's comparable to what you're wife got.

I hope your friend has good luck with hers, my wife used to work at a place that sold Pfaffs and she said they were prone to breakdowns. That's why she went with the Bernina.

Well she's only had the new one for a week or so.  And had the prior one for probably less than two months.  But she's had that brand in the past without issues.  And her Pfaff serger seems to be holding up well also.  So I hope she does have good luck with it.

Sooo.... I guess if this machine has problems it will be like the big monster from Cloverfield attacking her and that would be a very bleak ending indeed.  Sorry, just trying to get this sewing nonsense back on track (and regain a tiny portion of my manhood in the process)

[Antares]

Sorry, just trying to get this sewing nonsense back on track (and regain a tiny portion of my manhood in the process)

See that Bears game last week?